No one cares, I repeat. No one. Not anyone, no individual exist with a real care for this matter. The game is 94% men (90% Male if you wanna be generous) We could have women looking like Quazymodo's grandad after he got his anus pillaged by the Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory and No one would legitimately care.

For one your toon has no shirt and a fully open jacket, only thing preventing us from seeing cleavage is the fact that EVE CC locks camera angles. So...werble werble...no point to this thread...possible troll...initiating WhyNoOneCares.exe

So what if a man wants to create an avatar that he enjoys looking at in a video game? What's he going to do, force himself on the avatar?

Seriously, don't go down this road, you won't like the answers, but if you insist on getting them anyway, then you are going to have to accept them for the sake of reality. So, I'll address the only actual question you asked in your entire OP, and leave it there, unless you have any other actual questions.

"But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be?"

No, people are usually just making something they enjoy looking at. Whether they expect that image or not in real life is beside the point and definitely not reflected by their choice of avatar creation. This is a world of fantasy, not reality, and you need to learn to separate the two, because you are bordering on the feminist mentality of "you can't do that with pixels because it offends me and gives women a bad image." It doesn't.

I might also add, in your OP, you didn't seem to offer any opinion at all, you really only asked one question amongst a bunch of words that seemed to describe what you were about to ask, but didn't.

Maybe for the same reason lots of women make toons that look like Ryan Gosling rather than Rab C Nesbitt.

I am a man in real life, does my char's lack of big boobs etc mean that I am gay?

Oh, and if you are a real life woman, why the hell are you not a feminist, do you not want equal rights etc for women?

Well, when I sculpted this character, her breasts were in the average range. One day I wanted to put on my fancy new Right Arm 'Nature' Tattoo and I noticed that my bust size had increased to, quite frankly, a ridiculous proportion. I poked around a bit and it seems that CCP modified some of the configuration stuff for the female bodies so that some of the clothing would fit better, and re-rendered everyone. This resulted in a mega-rack for quite a lot of people. Not what I really wanted.

That's what I heard through the grapevine anyway, haven't seen it 100% confirmed.

Has anyone attempted a petition for a resculpt? Was it successful? I don't really want this character to look like she's about to fall over at any moment.

Let me ask a question: If you (would be a female and) could design the male you want - would it be ugly as hell? Would he have small genitals? Would he be a big, fat and hairy bear with a tiny pen*s? I seriously doubt it, and I think most women would indeed create a male character they would like to look at aswell.

With this in mind - what's the point in making this thread anyway?

When i was in school i learned that we all basicaly start off as women ( that must be the reason men have nipples). So i was thinking maybe thats the reason why big warm soft or small but firm and neat boobs make such an impact on real life and game decisions.

Your main problem is that you just let everyone know you are female.

Let us know how many PMs you recieve and how many offers you get to join a corp and join vent/mumble etc


Good luck

In reality some woman are skinny with big breasts after having implants usually. These woman are considered beautiful because being fat is sloppy and unhealthy. And big breasts is good for babies. This is whats beautiful though any ugly chick can find a guy that will get horny for her.

U are not a fan of this ideal probably because u dont match it. But theres no denying thats whats lusted after. I believe we have answered ur question that we like boobs and skinny. Ur not going to make some realize they actually like flabby chicks with flat chest so might as well move on

Wait till Femen find out that we female avatars can't remove our tops ... there will be hell to pay in Iceland and an invasion of half naked Russian chicks ... oh the horror ..

Oh, you have no idea...

I can't keep count of how many other women have attempted to tell my wife that she isn't really happy being a housewife and a stay at home mom, and those same women scream and howl about how much they hate working in their very next forum post.

It's actually observable very easily. For instance, the majority of men like long hair on women. However, attempt to observe (or get the conversation secondhand) a group of married women discussing the possibility of one of them cutting her hair. "oh, it would look so cute on you!" and "it would make you look more youthful!", etc, etc. It does no such thing, however, and subconsciously they are aware of this. But in groupthink, lowering someone else's attractiveness is the same thing as improving yours, without even having to do anything.

Also note, that in almost every case, none of them will tell her to ask the one person whose opinion *should* be most important when it comes to her attractiveness. Her husband. Instead, she dresses and behaves in the manner of the consensu of whatever her social group is.

I have seen this in groups of women from figure skaters to book clubs to cheerleaders to business executives. Same thing, every time.

You wanna tell me your character looks like you do in real life?
I'm NOT saying you are most likely ugly, in fact, i would never ever say such a thing, but i do speculate that you are not at ease with your own appearance, like most women.

Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that most female chars look like they do, because you have a negative self-image?

Biology control minds: skinny woman = young, healthy, in reproductive age. Blonde hairs = younger (blonde hairs tend to become dark over time). Bigger boobs = satiated, healthy children.

Not everyone is a 16 year old boy. Honestly Akirei isn't very feminine.

As far as skinny goes, it's hard to make a decent looking obese character using the character creator. Women just get bigger butts and chunkier arms, but there are no apple shapes.

Is it just me or is this a Hey Im a girl thread in disguise ?

I tried playing a male toon once.. and was instantly asked if I am gay.. :P

My avatar was made on a image from my missues.

The only diff is she has brown hair instead of black. I choose black to go with the name

I don't have a position in the 'gender movement', because I consider the 'gender movement' an illusion, one that we are all capable of seeing straight through but sometimes, unfortunately, choose not to. The most important thing people need to remember is that gender is not a role. It can be whatever else you want to be, as long as you don't make it a role, and you'll suddenly realise that it no longer counts amongst the merits of an individual.

See, the problem is, there is definitely a need for reform. Tradition is not a reason to keep doing something if it is found that what we are doing is harmful or non-productive. There is a degree of feminism that is required in many parts of the world, because what happens if we allow tradition to prevail in say, Pakistan, where 11 year old girls are shot for trying to get education rights for women? There are many examples of pay inequality in the workforce in the developed world, as well, which would make sense if the difference was based on performance and merit, but it's usually not. There are many motes of inequality between genders that really do exist, but there are many as well that are blown out of all proportion.

I'm not an anarchist, but I wholly agree with exploring alternatives to 'traditional orders in society'. Traditional democracy, for example, or democracy as we know it, is based off the false notion that my ignorance might be just as relevant as your knowledge, so I for one would prefer to see implemented a democratic meritocracy, where those that have earned a right to vote are allowed to vote. Not those who have paid for it, those who have worked for it and proven themselves. Of course, there are problems with this, as well, not the least of which is the question, what of the impaired who cannot prove their merits? Does someone with merit speak for them, and if so, how much room does that leave for corruption or the abuse of that impaired person?

So still traditional democracy prevails where I live, because it is still the best option out of a collection of many bad options. Our real saving grace in Australia is our mixed economic system, where we have a balance between socialist and capitalist economics, such a balance that our economy is one of the strongest in the world, with 31 countries owning bonds in our debt. In this case, I can stand by tradition because so far, with only a few minor wrinkles, this tradition has worked in Australia. But there are many traditions that do little more than create an almost myopic fear of change and do nothing but prevent progress.

Why on Earth not? Feminism is just the philosophy that women are people and should be treated as such.

Correctly applied, it's a term that it should make almost no sense to be proud of. It should be like gloating about breathing. Saying you're "not a feminist" should be along the lines of saying "I'm not a breather".


As for the topic at hand though - it's a fantasy! If somebody wants a nigh-nude character who looks like two watermelons glued to a lamppost, fine, whatever. Let them be shallow, it's not harming any real person.

WTF is this bullshit?
You keep dropping these atrocious walls of text about your oh-so-deep opinions about boobs and feminism and, after eight pages, you come up with this?

My 90 years old grandfather would provide me way less obvious and trite stereotypes.

Link me some of these 'various biological and psychological sciences'. Reliable sources.

Also, there is very little room for constructive debate with someone who literally reasons by stereotypes.

I find this whole thread to be sexual harassment. Everyone here has been warned!

Next step will be to report this to management..

You made the claim, it's reasonable for someone to ask that you supply the sources to support the said claim.

I once heard a poem that is appropriate for this thread:

Roses are ****
Violets are ****
I like ****
**** **** ****

(why it blanks out all but one occurrance of the word eludes me)

thats the thing, in america, there are very rarely "equalist" feminists, a majority of them want favoritism, they want all the "benefits" they believe they miss out on, WITH all the "benefits" permitted by "chivalry" while at the same time, not wanting ANY of the "negatives" men have to deal with.

honestly though, half of it is the american government, they do the same thing with race, to "ensure equality" they allow the laws to give blatant favoritism. same kinda crap attitude that changes whats politically correct every other week, im sorry but i will NEVER use the term "african-american" unless they can point to an immediate blood relative born adn raised in africa, if they cant they are just black.

While the mentioning of a "whippet cookie" might give people an idea what you are talking about, it's still a different kind of candy than your GÇ£NegerkussGÇ¥. And its name stems from the original French name GÇ£T+¬te de n+¿greGÇ£, which led to different terms throughout the German language.
And your claim that certain terms were erased from usage by government is utter nonsense. These terms are generally being avoided (for years now) for their racist connotations, but they are neither outlawed nor otherwise forbidden.

Oh, and btw, I'd say "Schnitzel" is best translated to "schnitzel" (at least in American English).

Sorry. I am not familiar with proper names in English and must trust the translator. Last year there were some discussions around "political correct words" in Germany. Possible that my examples are outdated. But I wanted to add some examples to the political correctness discussion that this not only happens in the USA, although coming from the USA. These stuff around political correctness and female equality etc. comes in the EU mostly from Brussels. Perhaps "erased" was an exaggerated term. Actually no one sentence you for using this words. But it shows that something is going on in western societies.

You should really consider using phrases like GÇ£I believeGÇ¥, GÇ£I thinkGÇ¥ or GÇ£I guessGÇ¥ more often.

The discussion about GÇ£political correctness and female equalityGÇ¥ as you like to call it, is not coming from the US nor is it coming from Brussels. ItGÇÖs a social development that is (in the end) based on the jus naturae which goes back to Greek philosophers in ancient times. However, probably the most important development with regard to "female equality" happened during the French Revolution in 1791, when Olympe de Gouges wrote and published the GÇ£D+¬claration des droits de la Femme et de la CitoyenneGÇ¥ GÇô the GÇ£Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Female CitizenGÇ¥.

I hope you are joking.
Are you aware that the YouTube link you posted leads to scene from a TV show? That the people shown are actors? That the dialogues follow a script? That it's only fiction?

I wasted some time to google the backgrounds of the first three "sources" you mentioned. It was quite enlightening. Conspiracy theorists are not really good sources in my book. But thatGÇÖs only my opinion of course and you are entitled to have your own. I just hope you always remember to put on your tinfoil hat before differentiating between fiction and truth or possible truth.

Death to the white male.

Why pick less when you can have more?

Shouldn't you get back to writing articles for Jezebel and The Guardian and using the word "patriarchy" like normal people use commas?

Culture should never and does never deserve to be respected.

Culture is an overratted heapload of **** dragging us down, slowing our progress and inhibiting our capacity for free thought. We should get rid of it.

Cultture is when I go to my neighbour at my 18th birthday and choop of his head to make a cup out of his skull to proove my new found manlyness. Civilization on the other hand is when I get to prison for that kind of crap.

Pheh... No.

Tradition is just another word for "we do it like that because we've always done it like that. Don't question it, it's tradition."

Norms and ideals? Like what? burning hospitals because there might be leprose people inside (haiti approx. 6 weeks after the big earthquake).

Beating a fourth grader all girl sports class back into a burning building because they didn't wear scarfs when they fled the fire? (saudi arabia approx. 2008)

Stabbing and killing his own son because he wanted to have sex with his girlfriend before marriage? (germany approx. 2008).

Putting a woman in prison because she beat up her wannabe rapist? (Egypt 2007)

Or just plain going 1984 on your own people because someone might now someone how knows someone that knows a religious extrermist?

Are you talking about stuff like that? I say we can do without that.

We also have not somehow magically "forgotten" that we should learn from each other, 99% of humanity never learned that in the first place.

Without culture we can be EVERYTHING! Not just some barely out of the stone age half apes clubbering each other to death with sticks and stones.

respect isn't the right word. the right word is "tolerance." alexander's macedonians did the same thing. day to day life went more smoothly when a conquered people were able to keep their traditions and their religions and gods. the romans learned this lesson from the study of alexander's legacy of hellenism. so they applied the practice in their own conquests. rarely did they have to intervene due to cultural causes. notable exceptions of this would be judea and syria for example.

I am laughing so hard right now at almost everything you just claimed in your post, but this claim made me laugh the hardest.

Seriously, you really think the Romans had respect for the cultures of people they conquered?

Seriously??

Additionally, it was the Greeks that established the foundations of democracy and law, not the Romans. The Romans assimilated the system and at some point, did away with patronage under the guise of "more freedom" but only to make it easier for caesars to corrupt the system. You have a lot to learn about history.

And while it's true that it was a **** V2 test flight that marked the first man-made object in space, rocketry itself is from the ancient Chinese, not Germans, and the V2 was designed to destroy, not to explore. Let's not pretend Germany was trying to do the world any favours on that occasion, okay?

oh, there were some rowdy greeks there trying to hold onto the last vestiges of the seleucid dynasty. lots of infighting and such. the great empire it once was had fractured into dozens of claimants thinking they were the true culture and blood of their people. but the seleucid kingdoms had always been a melting pot of east and west. the size and scope of it and all the territories within their holdings (which at their height of power stretched from parts of modern day turkey to deep within the indian subconinent) made that a certainty.

but their greatness had seen it's last many decades before all these events finally forced rome to end the squabbling (political and cultural) for good. they dispatched pompey magnus, still abroad in cilicia after a victorious campaign there, to deal with them once and for all. that was pretty much the effective end of the heirs of seleucus and the power they had in the region. rome annexed and provinced syria officially soon after.

history lesson in the boobs thread. who would have thought?

Making males is less fun to do than making females.

Natural curves, elegance and zero to none Schwarzenegger dna makes it alot more creative.

EVE has such a well developed character creation-kit that I'd like to get the most out of it and in my humble opinion, a male character is 'done' quicker, whereas a female requires some careful attention to be made attractive, posable and properly shaped - if that would be your aim at least.

It's like painting pictures: males would represent the abstract art, where you can empty paint cans in a random fashion and say 'hey, that actually looks kind of fun' as opposed to the actual art aka females, where you sit down and do your best to grab the atmosphere of a beautiful landscape or similar - genuinely pretty when finished IF done properly.

That's my reasoning for creating a female, not so much the argument you hear from others (in other games as well) that 'I don't like to spend my virtual time looking at a male avatar'.

... but the Roman empire thing made me laugh aswell.

Um what?

I think you need to go do a semester of genetics. Gender is determined at conception (the first moment of the start of a new life), not chosen late in gestation.

All male mammals have nipples because testosterone production (which kickstarts the development of male organs and features and stifles the development of female organs) begins later in fetal development.

So, to answer your question we must know why does testosterone production begin later in the development process. Gender isn't as important as beginning the development of vital or complicated organs, such as the brain, for a species to succeed.

<3 your thread derailment.

Untrue. Male tastes run the gambit and are in fact much looser than female preferences.

I'm a guy in real life, so I make all of my game avatars be guys. I never really understood why guys made female avatars until my friend told me that he would rather look at a girl all day than a guy. My only response was "Well if you're into animated characters . . . ".

You've never been to Seoul, have you?

Also ease up on the Ameribashing. It's getting really cliche. And this is coming from a Canadian.

Its a shame really . . . how the rest of the world perceives Americans. You all really only see the cosmopolitan part of the American culture. I can tell you that living in the rural midwest of the US, things are a lot different.

You're Swedish?

You do realize that America is the melting pot of most other world cultures right? Its not our fault the rest of the world follows what we do, but since most people in Hollywood get their inspiration from other cultures maybe it would be better for others to change their perception of beauty instead of blaming America right? Or is that too easy? Also don't call us victims when in the same paragraph you say that we are the ones that lead world culture (which I highly disagree with).

[...] the world can also thank "Amerika" for many advances in medicine, science, and agriculture.

Well which is it? So far you have said that America is too new to have a formal culture yet now you say that our culture is enough to push national views out of the picture. Also here in America (and other stretches of the world, because Eve is a single sharded game so we have people in the Alliance form all over) there is national news and global news. We have news about other parts of the world too, because that is what news if for. Also we have entertainment from other walks of life (again, so do other areas of the world as per what my alliance mates have told me).

About 'English' being the 'Global language' I hate to break it too you but the UK have been speaking English for longer than the US has existed. That dates back to the British Empire.

And about international goods, a lot finished products that are shipped off of US soil are actually made in places like Mexico, Taiwan, Japan, China, and the list goes on. Seeing a product that is actually made in the US is a rarity these days.

I get the feeling that you have not gotten an updated view of the world as what you are saying pertains to the 60's and 70's. America is not the powerhouse that it used to be and is in fast decline. While we still hold a somewhat minor hold on what happens in the world, there are bigger dogs in the doghouse that even the US does not want to **** off.

True fact: I have never seen a jar of peanut butter with a US flag and Statue of Liberty on it.

Again fun fact: Anglicans date back to the British (and before).

You sure have a skewed knowledge of the inner structure of America. I don't see how a country that has to raise its debt ceiling every few months is as powerful as you make it out to be. Also if everyone has their own opinion then why are you acting like yours is objective?

[...] Also you say that you do not wish to discuss politics yet you still bring up this idea of 'Global(Amerikan-)ization'. Maybe you would have a better foundation to your end of the debate if you do not go back on what you said before in your very own post.

I know people from Germany and have quite a fair few internet spaceship friends from there who tell me all about their government, economics, and 'inner workings' as you like to call them, but that does not mean that I have enough information to form an educated opinion on the subject because I have not walked the life of a German citizen for a decent chunk of my life. No matter how much you think you know you really never know enough until you have experienced it for yourself.

Also you can stop spitting out that 'Americanisation' quote because Henry Kissinger made that book/novel/paper/essay in 1977 and even he himself has moved well beyond that idea. I would suggest reading up on some of his later books such as 'Oh China'.

Ehh, perhaps I'm right and you're wrong, or you're right and I'm wrong, or perhaps the truth of the matter is somewhere in the middle, or so far off that neither of us are close. I do apologize for being so harsh but truth be told I just really don't like it when the greater America is blamed for things that are really just stereotypical. When you mentioned Hollywood I should have read closer and realized that you were indeed talking about Hollywood, which was entirely my bad, as Hollywood itself does bring on the image of the woman with enlarged 'attributes'. I, along with many people I know; however, do not agree with Hollywood's image of a woman.

But as I said before I do apologize for lashing out at you and do respect your opinion, as all of us are entitled to one.

The first documented (a statue) liking for great boobs is 22,000 years old. USA were going to born a bit later.

Bummer... and here I thought this thread (and title) linked pictures of our real life female players showing off their "assets"...

Then you should be wholly aware that America's mightiest industry, the automotive one, is now almost exclusively an import industry, most of which is coming from Australia and partnerships with European manufacturers. That new Dodge Dart of yours? It's actually a Renault. That Camaro they used in Transformers? It's actually a Commodore. Shame about Pontiac going down, though, cuz they actually had a real Commodore, the G8-GXP.

After WWII, the US was an economic and industrial powerhouse. Nowadays, the rest of the world is learning that relying wholly on US economy and industry means they have no control over their financial worth, and if the US crashes, so does the world, so many nations have distanced themselves from that system and have become more self-sufficient.

And I hate to break it to you, but Sweden and Australia both lead the US in science, medicine and education by a degree that is growing larger with every passing year. And those are just the countries I know that lead the US, there are probably others.

Yes, but you knew you were starting it anyway,right?

- Maybe not feminist, but have you enjoyed a catholic upbringing? Do you feel insecure in general if you are around women with "big racks" who are "half naked, and skinny"? Many people are, because they get ashamed of their own feelings, that they get aroused and feel bad and guilty about it, and seek to remove the "attractive and feminine woman" out of their sight and decide talking about them in a judgmental way, making silly jokes and comments and what not, instead of facing their own filthy and sinful minds and selves.

It actually made way more sense than what YOU bravely deduced from virtual portraits on a sci-fi game.

If you are not a feminist, you are doing it wrong.

It amuses me that the OP has one of the hottest avatars in this thread.

I see some good-looking female avatars in this game, where the picture seems to be of someone with personality. The female players often appear to put some work into giving their characters life.

But the default look of a female character in this game tends to be Barbie, while the males seem to achieve a sense of character more easily. I don't really think that playing Barbie in space was the dream for most of you guys out there. I blame a poor quality character creation process that CCP ought to take an artistic look at.

Even thin waists and breasts of whatever size can be part of someone lifelike.

Some is the key word.

Most seem to be made by this method. Random, random, max breast, thruster pose, zoom out, take picture.

Mr Epeen

Removed a trolling, racist post, and those quoting it.

Privately-owned fora. You have less rights that you suppose you do.